Our guest today: Tom Seabourne
Tom Seaborne is a fitness educator, author, martial artist and cyclist. Tom has a Ph.D in exercise science. He was a member of the US Taekwondo Team, and a National and International AAU Taekwondo Champion. Tom was introduced to me by my Taekwondo instructor Michael J. O’Malley, who appeared on an earlier episode of the feisworld podcast.
In addition to Taekwondo, Tom earned the title as an ESPN Professional Karate Association full-contact karate winner. If there are avid cyclists who are listening to this podcast, it’s worth mentioning that Tom was the winner of RAAM Open West, and ranked top 10 in the 1990 Race Across America. Tom also holds a National 12-hr record holder (229 miles), a 24-hr Texas State Cycling Champion (1740 miles in 7 days) and a Guinness World Indoor Cycling Record in 2009 (185 hours).
Besides competition, Tom appeared on a number of televisions and video series such as the QVC Fitness Expert. He co-hosted the #1 rated infomercial 6 second abs, Fox Morning Show, Good Morning Texas, Stay Fit ABC, Inside Fitness – CBS National and many others.
Tom has authored over 200 articles and 16 books. You can find them on Amazon.
The list goes on…
What strikes me the most is not the endless list of Tom’s accomplishments as an athlete and an educator, but rather his openness, honesty, and willingness to flex, listen and learn.
In Part 1 of our conversation, we dive deep into fitness. As a woman in her 30s, I’ve been struggling to stay in shape while balancing a demanding job and a busy life (Don’t laugh, running a podcast on top of a full time job is a lot of work!). It has become increasingly difficult to keep the pounds off and feel good about what I consume on a daily basis. I’ve reached a point that I say to myself: I can’t work out any harder or to eat better. What else can I do?
Since my interview Tom, he has become a true inspiration. A man in his 50s, he has achieved and maintained extraordinary physique. It didn’t “just happen” like that, Tom created and sustained a system he was able to share with me. When it comes to dieting, Tom says “If you can’t do it for the rest of your life, there’s no point in doing it for one day.” He also helps demystify many of the misconceptions associated with training such as fitness vs. performance, feeling vs. looking good.
In Part 2, we talked about personal life, goals and even challenges as a fitness educator today. I offered Tom some of my own opinions for how an athlete like himself could potentially take advantage of social media beyond Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.
For example, Quora allows a fitness expert to answer and curate content. There is so much information out there. We are all drowning in data and starving for useful knowledge. Technology can be the ultimate resource and also the biggest liability. An authentic voice from a trusted expert like Tom can help people navigate the right information, achieve and sustain the results they want.
Ubersense is another great example of how fitness experts can coach clients, reach an audience around the world without any travel and right from their homes. There’s no better era than the one we are in today to influence, educate, and help one another.
Part 1 Show notes:
- On fitness: feeling vs. looking good: how do you aspire people to think or rethink this question? [05:30]
- A Day in the Life of Tom Seaborne [9:00]
- Fitness vs. Performance: Tom’s POV on training for Race Across America [10:00]
- Common mistakes students make during weight training [12:00]
- Tom’s fitness routine and why it is never one-size fits all when it comes to training [13:00]
- Fei’s fitness inspiration [17:00]
- Tom’s fitness inspiration [19:00]
- Inspiring young souls – story on O’Malley TKD Center [22:00]
- Tom’s thoughts on diet and supplements [25:30]
- In the US, we always want that one thing, but it’s really about a balance [28:30]
- Tom on metabolism and what you can do about it [30:30]
- Fatty acids, Vitamins, Creatine [36:00]
- Water: the most important element of all [39:00]
- Fitness of the Month Contest [41:30]
- The importance of progress and adaptation – Don’t do too much, too soon [43:30]
- “If you can’t do it for the rest of your life, there’s no point of doing it for one day.” [45:30]
- What does Tom do when he hits a physical or mental roadblock? [50:00]
- Tom’s advice on coping with disappointments and setbacks [53:30]
- On meditation, prayers and reaching enlightment [58:00]
- “We all need something to quiet down”- Tom’s constantly looking for ways to cultivate the mind and body experience [1:01:00]
Part 2 Show notes:
- Catching up on writing The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Total Body Workout and winning the Texas Teaching Award [03:30]
- Tom’s profession: help people become fit and stay fit [5:30]
- Fitness icon at age 50 – Tom refused to be called a role model [8:00]
- The secret origin story for Tom – how did it all begin for him? [8:30]
- “I want to teach karate for the rest of my life” [7:00]
- A 10-year period when Tom traveled intensively for fitness conferences [13:00]
- Tom talks about his lack of understanding for social media [14:00]
- Inside story of how Tom received 5,000 fans on Facebook [15:00]
- Full page feature on Sports Illustrator & how it changed Tom’s life [16:15]
- A current situation for Tom: PE requirement has been removed from college curriculum [15:00]
- Podcast creates possibilities for me to help other small business [20:00]
- Classika – Linda (Tom’s wife’s) shoe company, [21:30]
- True fans on social channels, not just the number of fans [23:15]
- Tom new perspective on social media – “I need to get my ego out of this” [24:30]
- Quora – how can someone like Tom take advantage of a social knowledge platform such as this? [25:30]
- Podcasting, social media – getting words out of a small town [29:00]
- There’s no better era than the one we are in today to be an influential fitness guru [29:00]
- Ubersense – coaching fitness from anywhere in the world [34:00]
- Become an influencer who helps the right information (what works, what doesn’t [37:00]
- What’s Tom’s exercise routine and live his life? [38:00]
- Managing social pressure and effects on our behaviors – “People look away when you talk about yourself” [43:00]
- Do something that scares me everyday? [45:30]
- An assignment for Tom [46:15]
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Fei Wu 0:17
Welcome to the face world podcast. This is your host Faye Wu. On this podcast, you will meet a group of song and unsung heroes who are willing to share their stories with you and what it means to them to live a happy and meaningful life. From Academy Award winner Christina reed to Wall Street Journal, Best Selling Author Claudia Azula l teacher Hall of Fame martial artists Michael J. O’Malley, renowned jazz musician Ralph Petersen, Jr, Director of Innovation Matt Lindley, Steinway artist, George CO, and many others. Every one of my guests brings unique perspectives that form an interplay of careers, explorations personal philosophy, and being in the moment that my website face world.com has a page dedicated to every guest where you can find show notes, links, tactics, tools, ideas you can use. Without further ado, I would like to introduce you to my guest today. His name is palm seaborne. Tom is a professor, author, fitness coach, martial artist cyclist. I am honored to share this two part conversation with Tom seaborne. Tom has a PhD in exercise science. He was a member of the US taekwondo team and the national and international AAU taekwondo champion. Tom was introduced to me by my Taekwondo instructor Mike O’Malley, who appeared on an earlier episode of face world podcast. In addition to taekwondo. Tom is an ESPN professional Karate Association full contact karate winner. If there are avid cyclists who are listening to this podcast, it’s worth mentioning that Tom was the winner of RAM open West ranked top 10 in the 1990 race across America. Tom is also the National 12 hour record holder of 229 miles. Tom has a Guinness World Record for indoor cycling in 2009 for writing 185 hours straight. So that was a very long winded introduction. But besides competition, Tom appeared on the number of televisions and video series such as The QVC fitness expert. He also co hosted the number one rated infomercial six second abs, Fox Morning Show Good morning, Texas. They fit ABC insight fitness, CBS, national and many more. Tom has authored over 200 articles and 16 books, you can find them on Amazon or simply go to my website where I reference these books in the podcast. What strikes me the most, however, is not the endless list of Tom’s accomplishment as an athlete as an educator, but rather is his humbleness, openness, and his willingness to flex listen and learn. In part one, we talked about fitness, for example, feeling versus looking good. And how does Tom inspire people to think and rethink this question in general fitness versus performance? What is Tom’s point of view on training for Race Across America, and in part two, which is the following episode, we’ll be focusing on personal life goals and, and even challenges as a fitness educator. Today, I offer Tom some of my own advice on how an athlete like himself could potentially take advantage of social media. But beyond Facebook and Twitter, for example, places or channels such as Quora or Uber cents, and how to influence people at a national and international level without extensive travel. And that was an important factor for Tom. But you know what, there is no better era than the one we’re in today to influence educate and establish authentic connections right from our homes. I am super excited to be sharing this episode with you all. However, I do want to apologize in advance for the sound quality. Tom lives in Texas and was very busy at a time so we quickly jump on the call. So it was not recorded via Skype but regular phone call. If you have any questions, things that you don’t catch in this audio, please head over to my website, face world.com And you’ll be able to see Tom’s episode right on the homepage. So thank you in advance for staying with FaZe world podcast and if you have any feedback comments, please let me know. Please welcome Tom seaborne
So one of the questions I always wondered about, as you know, I’m into martial art, and I had a lot of insecurities about my look, my body. I mean, like most other women out there, this is not news. And, you know, what is your thoughts on fitness in terms of for men is Muscle and Fitness for women, it’s the bikini look, versus actual health, you know, the looking good versus the feeling good? Where do you draw that line? And how do you aspire people to really think about this question, or possibly rethink this question?
Tom Seabourne 5:43
Yeah, that’s a great question. And in fact, there’s an old saying, and I didn’t come up with that I like to use it. KENNETH Cooper, the fellow who invented the word a little bit, and his facility is just a couple hours away in Dallas, he came up with the phrase, it’s better to be fat, and fit than skinny and sedentary. And that really says it all. Where you don’t know what’s going on inside someone’s body, you know, someone may look like a fantastic two year model, or a professional bodybuilder, that if they can’t walk up a flight of stairs, or if she, you know, being real skinny, is what we call Have you ever touched somebody think about your martial arts class, where you touch maybe a female student, and she feels skinny fat, where, you know, if you were to look at her clothes, then you think, Oh, she she’s in good shape, but then you touch her arm. And it’s like, soft, there’s no muscle there. And there are a lot of people walking around like that, where they look good, that you really, you know, even even just the outward, you realize, Well, number one, they have no muscle. And then think of that, from a cardiovascular perspective. Like, wow, you don’t know at all from just looking at someone. What what’s going on inside the body? So yeah, I love the fan of Kenneth Cooper, I think we should all kind of remember that it’s not all about cosmetic. And that you have to work from the inside. You and I could go on and on talking about discipline from martial arts and, and you know, if there were a pill that you could take to make you look fit. Oh, that’s what all Americans would do that just think say, just think of all the benefits when you are training. And it’s not just the outcome of looking and being very, you know, with this amazing flying psychic, it’s not just that, it’s the way exercise makes you feel. If people miss out on that, they think, Oh, I don’t want to exercise and take the time. If it makes you feel good, then I can see why people don’t do it. So yeah, that’s one answer.
Fei Wu 8:19
I know I there’s one answer. It’s, I think it’s my favorite answer. I was gonna jump in and say, You know what, I don’t think I look that great, but I’m solid. I’m the opposite. So it’s a no, this is amazing. And I have another question related to a day in the life of Tom, you had mentioned that you get up at four o’clock and I have to say, I don’t even know there is a four o’clock. Hammer Sleeping Beauty so and so you had mentioned that you work out for one hour 455 to six or 430 to 530. You know, one hour is a lot for some people, but it isn’t a lot for some of these workout maniacs out there. So was wondering is one hour all you do seven days a week? Where do you take some time off? What is your routine? Like?
Tom Seabourne 9:14
You know, this one hour is seven days a week and some people call that overtraining. But you you you hit the nail on the head for some people one hour is nothing. And when when I used to train for these long distance cycling events like the Race Across America, and when we did in this world record, oh, no, no, Dan, I was training. Probably remember how Michael O’Malley said he trained like 1516 hours a day. I was. I was doing that every day, seven days a week and I know that sounds crazy. But imagine being on a bike for 22 and a half hours a day for seven days. So to train for that. You have to do at least that you’re able to perform I’m at that level during the actual event. And then and then the Race Across America, it’s basically start with your back wheel in the Pacific Ocean finish your front wheel in the Atlantic and the first one that gets there when you’re only sleeping an hour and a half a night during that race. And it takes you nine to 10 days to get across the country. And so with that type of a race, and the training involved, is just non stop. And basically all of us, what we call ram, ram racers, racer customer. That’s the acronym and all of us are overtrained. But we have to be in order to perform. So here’s here’s, here’s an eye tag, performance is different than fitness, to, to perform well in the race across America, or to set a Guinness World Record. It’s really not good for your body, it’s actually taking away I mean, after that race across America, I wasn’t normal for two weeks, my heart rate was high metabolism was through the roof. And same after the Guinness World Record. You know, I had such bad sleep deprivation that, you know, you call yourself sleeping. I was for two weeks after to get back to normal. So there’s training for fitness. And there’s training for performance. And I run into this all the time where students of mine, they tell me their routine. And they may only be training an hour a day, with they’re trying to gain muscle these guys in particular. But what they’ll do is they’ll overtrain, the same muscle group, especially for guys, chest and biceps. And what they don’t realize, and this is what I was alluding to earlier, if you take a day off, or two days off, that’s recovery. And that creates what’s called Super compensation, so that you’re actually going to build muscle. So for a lot of folks, especially overzealous Americans, to this high level of cosmetic achievement very quickly, they’re doing more harm than good by overtraining.
Fei Wu 12:15
Very interesting and speaking, which, how do you manage training your own muscle groups? And how does that break down seven days a week?
Tom Seabourne 12:25
You’re asking a great question. Everybody’s different. Everybody’s different. And everybody responds to training differently. And for some reason, and I haven’t, you know, I should, you know, how I was like a trainer to trainers when I was traveling. I would trade personal trainer. Well, I don’t have a personal trainer. So you know, I kind of wish I did. But I pretty much to avoid overtraining, a certain muscle group, I train pretty much one muscle group a day, so that I’m still hitting each muscle group about twice a week. And, you know, as I’m getting older, you know, supposedly I should slow down. Everybody says, you know, you read all the literature, oh, you need more recovery as you age? Well, I don’t know if, personally, if I do, I’m not sure I haven’t noticed it. I feel like I can retain more muscle by doing the routine I’m doing, then if I did take more days off. So for me, I’m better off doing what we call a split routine. So that for example, it might be okay, I’ll give you exactly how it works. There’s only one day a week I do two muscle groups, and that would be just in back on the first day, then the second day, shoulders and the third day on biceps and triceps. And then fourth day and like and I just repeat that cyclically. And never miss a day. And I know there are experts out there listening and this guy’s crazy. He’s overtraining. Well, I’m not for me. I have, you know, my joints are fine. I’m staying strong. I feel good. And I don’t know about you, but I love to wake up and the first thing I do is train it. Very first thing I do. wakes me up. So Admittedly, I guess I’m kind of like, I feel like I’m doing an encounter group. As I’m talking. I’m thinking like, I’m talking to my therapist, and I’ll say that it makes me feel good. And that’s my number one reason for doing it. The cosmetic Is there a little bit because that’s my profession. I have to look the part so I so I do it for that. The third and most important thing if I don’t do it If I don’t do this hour of physical activity in the morning, I have my joints feel bad. I feel like sometimes I feel like I’m catching a cold. So I feel like I don’t want to say that I’m addicted to this exercise program. If I miss it, I don’t feel I feel wonderful when I do it. And to be honest, I haven’t missed a day, even even when I have amazing, like, some horrible scheduling conflict, I find a way to do something, maybe I don’t get the full hour, but just doing something gives me that beneficial feeling that I did what I needed to do for the day.
Fei Wu 15:41
Fitness can be your passion, you know, it’s it’s not just it’s certainly a routine, clearly, but I can relate to that. Because in my line of work, and you know, my routine is mine. And some people may disagree and I don’t have a lot of coworkers follow exactly what I do. Even though we’re all working in advertising, we could be in similar in age. It’s really about program, if you’re smart enough to tailor a program specific to yourself, and I find it to be I feel amazing when I work out for that one hour during lunch break. And of course I have to eat afterward. But somehow whether yoga or robic exercise really depends on my mood. I like variety, for instance. But after I work out, I take a shower, my mind is so sharp in the afternoon and remains sharp i i resolve problems much easier. And I enjoy going to meetings as a result. And super efficient. And I want to give you another example of a professor I admire dearly. Ethan Bulger, he was the inspiration when I went to his son’s wedding of Florida. And I remember putting my toe in the in the swimming pool and thought to myself a little too cold for me. I’m just gonna sit out. And Ethan was already in his late 60s at the time. And he hopped right in and swimming freestyle butterfly. And in me, oh man, immediately I felt embarrassed and then got a private swimming instructor. And I’m now considered a pretty good swimmer. But you know, and Ethan also, just like you said, Every morning, 435 o’clock before he goes teaching, he not just walk his dog. He runs with the dogs to dogs for about three to four miles. And he’s been doing that for I got to misquote him. It’s got to be nearly 50 years at this point. He hasn’t skipped a day. And he said exactly what you said is he really needs it’s not he’s not doing the dogs a favor. They’re doing him a favor. So this is really fascinating,
Tom Seabourne 17:51
said some things that are my memory is too short. And that’s why I interrupted, you know, everybody had an inspiration. And I remember now as you were just talking, I had an inspiration, where I went to, I don’t even remember what it was. It was it was, it was a karate demonstration or Taekwondo demonstration for sure. And I don’t remember the context. I don’t remember why I was there. But I was young, maybe I was 15 or something. And I remember, who knows, maybe Michael O’Malley will will have some insight into the demonstration that I saw. I remember a 60 year old Korean man jump up to board simultaneously, and then land in something similar to a Chinese split. I remember thinking to myself, oh my god, we own six, you don’t have people, people will say, Well, we’re on it. I want to look like that person. And I thought to myself, when I’m 60 I wouldn’t be able to do that. Well, I can’t do that. I never could do that. Gosh, what an inspiration. And I think everybody needs some inspiration. You know, thinking thinking about the guy doing his laps? We all Isn’t it funny how we all have different inspiration. We look at someone and and then you’re probably an inspiration for people to and you don’t even know it, you know, with what you’ve done as a third degree black belt and with your work and now your podcasts. So you don’t you don’t even know that people are looking up to you. And I think all of us. You know, one of my colleagues had lunch the other day said, you said your life is you could do a reality show just some of the weird stuff. But then I said to him, he’s a computer teacher. I said, Well, you too, but people don’t look at their own life and realize crazy There’s me excitement, you know that they’re just living their day to day and they don’t realize how cool it really is. I think a lot of us, made me realize that this conversation, we should, we should be a little more excited about what we’re doing and take what we’re doing. It may be more than fixed now you there, there may be things going on there where you’re helping other people and don’t even know it.
Fei Wu 20:27
I couldn’t agree more. And I not to say that I feel obligated or always wanted to be an inspiration. You know, I was at an all day workshop today. And one of the questions is, what are some of the things that billionaires know, and other regular people don’t. And the answer to that is, everybody turns out is a billionaire, you just don’t know it. In a corporate setting, you could be blocked by a certain number of constraints. I argue that in our lives were blocked by our own constraints, spiritual constraints, we feel very vulnerable. The thing about when you flip that around is power of vulnerability. And that is really amazing. There are a number of people out there by sharing their fears, so many people can relate to their fears. And together, you become more powerful. And, you know, and in so many ways, we feel that we are alone, you know, and only we carry the fears. But one of the things that really inspired me to conduct this podcast, I must give credit to Mr. O’Malley by watching him inspiring young people, young souls in puberty, and I will highly encourage that you pay a visit, if at all possible, that it breaks, it makes me feel cheerful, it makes my all my neurons connected, and makes me really look much above and beyond my own life and my own fears. And I remember going to watch this test, and that at that point, the school had only been around for about a year. And I saw a group of children from the demonstration team perform. And the little boys and girls were throwing or punching so hard that they’re throwing, like almost they’re losing balance in their body, like their bodies are popping and, and I was just watching. And I just remember myself tearing up. And it was inappropriate for me to cry or feel that level of emotions, there was a test. But I just I all of a sudden I forgot all my own problems. And as a result, that’s a place where I want to be. But I wanted to tell you this funny story. It was, you know this very well. And this has been the favorite story told on my podcast, I’m sure people won’t mind hearing it. Again, we’re hearing for the first time. Whenever we go through a test, we have, we feel like I’m very much part of the school and Mr. O’Malley schools, there are children as young as three or four years old. And I forget that sometimes. And I talked to them, they’re like, oh, and they’re picking their nose. And they all have stuff. So you know, I deal with mostly 2530 year olds at work. So and at the end of the test, I saw these little kids a 545 year old picking up chairs bigger than they are and they’re really they’re organizing they’re asking this family with the vacuum cleaner is and they’re getting all these like tissue paper trying to clean everything. And one of the kids parents said to set to him that Hey, Bob, how come you never clean at home, your bedroom is a mess, you know, and there. And then the little kid Bob like is that is like Dad, this is a place of great importance. You know, and that is one of our home the kids I although it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t mean anything at all. It’s just home. You know? I just every time I think about that example, along with many others, it created this low yearbook. It’s called O’Malley taekwondo moments. And I put some markers there and you get these teenagers writing these super heartfelt comments and I keep reading them over and over again. And there are little kids who don’t know how to write yet such as the four or five year olds are write down Mr. O’Malley and Mr. Flower are a psalm a s o n and and then all the other little kids run a copy of the word. So you see a psalm all the way across, like as you flip through the pages. And just so cute. I mean, there’s so many stories. But you know, I just thank you for sharing your stories with me and I know that I got us off of a different tangent here a little bit. So I’m going to leave ourselves back in production is what our I mean this goes on forever, but I am again just super impressed by what you’ve done with your own body and, and this is since I’ve turned 30 You know I’ve been worn many times I’ve been active my whole life but I gotta say that the pounds do To creep up, and almost an I’m a foodie, I love food and all kinds of world cuisines out there. And I’ve been very careful. So just out of curiosity, you know, I can still ask a question, regardless of whether you are a nutritionist or a dietitian, there any dietary preference or any supplements that you you take that type of stuff.
Tom Seabourne 25:28
Yeah, sure. Yeah. Number one, with your pictures on Facebook, you’re funny, because women, I think, are very hard on themselves, you know, like, Oh, I’m getting fat or whatever. But yeah, and you’re right, I’m not a nutritionist. But fortunately, or unfortunately, the Dean where I live, has to be a jack of all trades. And even when I was doing the traveling and training trainers, I still did some programs on nutrition, just because there’s such a dearth of information. I mean, there’s, there’s so many scams out there, and people trying to make a buck. And so basically, I’m going to just be quoting the research. And in a nutshell, it is that we should eat close to the ground, meaning vegetables, and some fruits, drink lots of water. And I don’t know if you’re a vegetarian or not, but getting some form of protein is so important than trying to separate your meals throughout the day, instead of eating just one meal. I know, you know, thinking through the years and trying to help people with their eating patterns, that’s the most difficult thing to change. And anybody that can, I can get a workout program, no problem, but changing our eating, it’s so dear to them, it’s part of their existence, or their family, they eat a certain way. And, gosh, I remember making so many mistakes growing up, thinking, oh, let’s let’s do the low fat thing. And that was because when we did the low factor in that era, I don’t know you were pretty young during that era, but people were getting fatter and fatter eating low fat because they were piling on the carbs, and finally realizing, even after, I remember writing articles on nutrition and having knockdown drag out fights with people from Atkins who were calling and emailing me saying that I would make a comment in an article on I remember this like yesterday, I would say that carbs are your most efficient fuel source for your brain and your muscles. And it’s not untrue. That’s not an untrue statement. We are all biologically different. And many of us don’t react well to carbohydrates, especially the starchy carbs, like bread, on cereals. And we, we kind of in America, we want one thing like, okay, don’t eat carbs, or don’t eat fat, or it doesn’t work that way. We need a balance of macronutrients, good fats, good carbs, and proteins. So with that said, if you were to ask me, you know, how should I eat? And I can’t generalize it because some people have problem with with weight and certain carbs, but for other people, they don’t. So I will say that, that if a person were to look at their eating patterns, and if they’re finding that starchy carbs, like the ones I mentioned, bread, pasta, cereals, and all that, if they tend to cause you to gain weight, and make you feel sluggish, and maybe have other issues, then then go to the other types of carbs, like all of the different vegetables raised in an Asian culture that you were in my wife, she’s from El Salvador, and so lots and lots of vegetables. You can’t go wrong, you cannot go wrong with vegetables. And then when I said some fruits, it’s just that some fruits have more sugar than others, but if you stay with the berries, then you’ll be fine with any type of variance. And, you know, I don’t have children who are vegetarians. I would never be a bit myself. I could not. I can’t either. And I don’t want to sound mean, but a lot of vegetarian. I see. They don’t seem healthy. They don’t seem strong and there’s really no research to prove that vegetarian. live any longer than on the board. So with that said, we got to get lean protein into our systems. Your first question opened up, I thought we were gonna go in a different direction, I thought you were talking about metabolism. And a lot of people feel like, they get fatter as they get older, just it’s gonna happen with age. But it’s not true. There are so many cases, and you probably know people too, that you may have to adjust your diet, you may have to adjust your workout program. But no, you don’t do not have to lose your metabolism as you get older. I’m one of my YouTube, little segments, I have a YouTube channel. And that was one of the biggest questions people would ask me during class during my classes, you know, what is metabolism. So I cut it down to about two minutes what when metabolism is, what it is and how to really take control. And in a nutshell, the thing to do to keep your metabolism revved is make sure that you’re doing some sort of resistance training in your workout program, so that you maintain your muscle. And if you were able to watch the video, it goes into detail about muscle is the only. I don’t want to say the only because I hate to use the word absolutes, but it’s the most important thing we can do. To have control of our metabolism to maintain whatever muscle we have. So regarding diet, we want to make sure that we’re feeding our muscle, but starving the fat. So for most people, and I’ll say most because this guy shot looking at the research is that the starchy carbs seem to be the culprit for most people. And what’s scary is in America. government subsidizes the starchy carbs regarding, let’s say, like wheat, corn, and soy. And that’s, that’s what, you know, look what the government actually paid farmers for these products instead of broccoli, that’s all from the vegetables, that would be much better for us. We’re not a nutrient density. So I know that was kind of long winded, but I would say to cut it down into its basic form, eat close to the ground, vegetables, some fruits, there’s lots of water, protein through the day, and essential fats as well.
Fei Wu 32:54
Lovely. And I’m you know, this is this can be difficult for certain people. But you know, I can speak to that, and I certainly try to eat more regularly throughout the day. And there is no excuse, you know, there are we can certainly have a separate podcast episode I would love to do a sequel for for this is some of the things you could prepare for while you’re at work. And, you know, set for me as a project manager is that timer is on my calendar so that I remind myself to eat every three to four hours, especially on days when I have personal training, because I really suffered from not eating an hour or two before training. You probably like this and i very i feel like very recently, but it’s probably been five to six months that I said to myself that I really want a personal trainer and I was very lucky to find one that I liked very much. He might be on the podcast at some point. I don’t know maybe he’s not ready just yet. But he’s my age and I once worked out with somebody who was 1920 years old. And he was a great guy but he didn’t quite get what my body is going through because he was so much younger. You know and with this guy, he’s my current person Trent just about a couple of years older than I am he’s like, I’m gonna tell you what’s coming up and he really he has sympathy and empathy for what I’m dealing with. And I have to say that I’ve benefited so much in some of the some of the quote unquote weight gain I think well their actual weight gain are from from my muscles I feel stronger than ever before and I you know, a lot of the things I learned are really counterintuitive. You know, instead of getting my tailbone out and I kind of stick my stomach out and never thought about a maintain a straight spine. You know just how important our postures are and as a result of personal training, I keep thinking about it every day every doesn’t matter where I am. You know, I remind myself so I love where you’re going with this quick question on supply Minutes. And that’s something you haven’t said. But are there any basic vitamins or supplements that you do take on a regular basis.
Tom Seabourne 35:07
The reason? Here’s my point, supplements are just that they’re there. They’re there to supplement your eating for them. But the eating program is everything, as you were saying eating throughout the day to fuel your workouts. But a lot of people will take supplements, and thinking that it’s some kind of a magic pill, again, for their, whether it’s increasing metabolism or weight loss or energy, or whatever. So in my opinion, and again, I’m not a registered dietitian. So this is just an opinion. I personally do take free fatty acids. I’ve looked at the research on it, I can’t see any harm with it, you know, the omega three fatty acids? Yes. I do that. For a variety. You know, I haven’t thinking about cardiovascular, I’m thinking about, Well, I haven’t seen any detrimental effects. And the benefits seem to be everywhere. I mean, you don’t mean your skin, your hair. Just pretty much all of our life functions. But I see nothing wrong with taking vitamin C. And some of the other antioxidants, your pros and cons, you hear, if you take too many antioxidants, you’re actually opening yourself up to different forms of cancer. I don’t know if the research is really strong there. So there’s so much so much equivocal research on supplements, it goes both ways. One supplement I’ll have to make, make a little point on the net is creatine, where people have been afraid to take creatine because they say you’re calm your kidneys that see what else there’s another media really hyped it up, Hillier, that kind of thing. But what I want to tell people is to do your own research and a supplement like creatine, which is actually found in food can can be really helpful. Women are afraid of IVIG I think it’s going to blow them and make your muscles look square and bulky. But and I’m not suggesting people take this product. But if you look at the research, the research shows that there are not any of these negative side effects that that people think, again, I’m not promoting it. But I’m just saying that’s one popular supplement that some people are afraid of. I haven’t seen any research. Santa, there’s nothing wrong with it.
Fei Wu 37:58
I think these are these supplements, all of them, you mentioned are are nothing really surprising. And I’m very glad you mentioned them because I other than creatine, I take all the all of the above. And I’m also just like you have done a lot of research on my own. And I talked to my friends who are, you know, maybe not as experts in the field, but we’re very intelligent and think it through. So it’s so funny when you’re mentioning them. I was like, oh, there’s a glass of water. Maybe I should take some right now.
Tom Seabourne 38:33
Well, there’s a friend of mine who you made a comment and I liked it, I think it’s pretty much true. And that is the most important part of taking your supplements is the glass of water that you’re drinking with. Water is so important. And I believe with that, especially here in Texas, we’re chronically dehydrated. Some people go to the opposite extreme. And you may have heard of the term hyponatremia you can drink too much water. You can cause some issues, but most of us don’t. Most of us don’t. So that’s first and foremost. I would say if a person were worried about supplementation, just make sure they’re hydrated first. The other you’ll hear medical doctors will say no, don’t take supplements just eat a balanced diet. But who who eats a balanced diet. That’s the problem. As you were saying with your with your schedule, like you have meetings, you’re, you’re you have a personal training session. But what I’ll tell students and this is nothing new. It’s certainly not revolutionary, but prepare everything that you’re going to eat the day before, so that you know what you’re going to have the next day. And you’re not going to have to go scrounging and foraging for food when You’ll have it on hand. And that may mean just having a plastic container, or maybe using a meal replacement shake if you absolutely have no access to real food, that’s the biggest problem I see is that people make bad choices because they’re starving, because they missed two out of the three meals that they were trying to eat through the day.
Fei Wu 40:22
So true when it comes to when a, when it becomes starvation, it’s an urgency, and you’re going to just grab whatever it’s in front of you. And for many of us who work in an office, that’s leftover pizza, those are potato chips floating around. I mean, at that point, I see people start eating all kinds of stuff that they wouldn’t otherwise eat. So
Tom Seabourne 40:46
it’s crazy that when you’re hungry, when you’re, when you’re at that point where you no longer can make a rational choice, we’re always going to choose the more calorically dense foods like high high fat or high sugar. And those type Well, we have a thing you just made me remember something this morning, we presented our fittest of the month, we have a fitness to the Month Contest at our college. And so every every month, we choose someone who’s doing something a little bit extraordinary for their fitness, whether it’s a certain exercise program, or quitting smoking or something like that. And the guy that won for this month, he quit smoking. But as you know, when people quit smoking, they gain weight, it’s it’s just almost a natural thing it’s going to happen. So, you know, we talked about that. And well, when I when I delve into his diet, you know, he was talking about, Gosh, I don’t know why I’m gaining weight, you know, I’m not eating in the starchy carbs and blah, blah, blah. He’s doing everything right. And when I said as we were finishing the conversation, because I just assumed that he knew that. I said, Well, are you drinking soft drinks? And he said, Yes. You know, like, there’ll be guilt. He’s drinking like, the equivalent of a 16 ounce, sugar soft drink every single day. And he didn’t think that he thought that was innocuous, you know, that’s not doing that’s no problem. And guess what is hundreds of calories a day of non essential calories. And that’s usually the first thing I focus on. In someone’s eating plan. I’ll say, Do you drink sugar drinks, whether it’s a lot of juice or soda? And, you know, it just so happened? I thought I just assumed that he knew that already. But, gosh, sometimes we sabotage our programs, we don’t even know we’re doing it. You know, with the chips or the pizza? Or in his case, the soft drinks?
Fei Wu 42:55
Yeah, no, that’s absolutely great observation. And sometimes it’s so easy. I mean, it’s not easy. But compared to everything else you have to do. Sometimes I recommend that to my own friends just cut out the soft drinks and, and then maybe with the snacks, cookies, and one thing at a time and, and your body really, really adapt to the changes slowly, gradually and become sustainable changes. So
Tom Seabourne 43:20
I agree, I like I liked what you said that. You don’t want to do too much too soon with some people. No. This is why I said earlier. I don’t believe in absolutes. There are most people I agree with exactly what you said, change a little bit at a time or one thing at a time. And then there’s the other extreme of some people want it so bad, that they’re willing to do a huge lifestyle change all at once. But the word you use is sustainable, you have to make sure. Well, here’s another example. The lady in charge of our nursing program, started this program and I was completely against it at first. It’s called lighten up East Texas. And it’s a weight loss contest, that you had them up there where you lose 5% of your body weight. In the certain period of time, you can win a car. I hate contests because whenever money or in this case, you win a car is involved. And people will do anything to win and you know involving cheating. So how can you cheat on a weight loss? Well, in the way the thing is measured a scale weight scale doesn’t know the difference between losing water muscle fat. So a person can easily lose 5% of their body weight by just you know, losing muscle by going on a very low calorie diet hydration or dehydration. Right. And so what so they want a car but then they gain all the way back. Well you know maybe for some people that say I gel with that car, not worried about my leg. But in this case, we have hundreds and probably 1000s of people in East Texas who are doing anything that they can to lose the weight. As we were just talking about sustainable, keeping that weight off, anybody can lose the weight, having a manageable a program that you can stay with for the rest of your life. In one of my books, I wrote the statement that any diet program that you can’t do for the rest of your life, is not worth doing for one day. And there’s nothing magic about that. It’s just that you kind of do something that you can stay with. And if you’re doing some program that only lasts for a month, then you gain the weight back, then you shouldn’t have done it at all. wasn’t worth your
Fei Wu 45:55
time. Yeah, great point, I completely agree. And there are so many people who who start and quit not only when it comes to diets, fitness and many other, you know, things that they could benefit significantly in their lives. And so that’s part of human behavior,
Tom Seabourne 46:11
especially exercise. I mean, you know, you’ve probably seen the research that 50% of the people quit an exercise program a month after they start, we see the people who do exercise, you know, we see somebody running and then we see another person well, and same person who’s running and lifting weights. So 15% of the population is doing some sort of workout 85% are doing nothing. And so the key is to find something that they love, and that you said that earlier, making martial arts, whatever you decide, if it’s a passion, then you’ll look forward to do it. And even if it’s just going for a walk, like you said earlier about the dogs, walking the dog, that research shows again, that if you have a pet, there’s a better chance that you’re gonna be in good shape. And someone who doesn’t have a pet just because they have to walk the dog. We we have to find ways to get people moving, because it’s crazy that, you know, what amazes me, as you understand how it makes you feel more than half the population doesn’t realize it’ll make them feel better if they move, and they just have to move.
Fei Wu 47:35
And I think they make each other feel better. I you know, I know this from working. And I’m fortunate enough to be working for a number of companies where fitness and health are the primary goals of their beings and I, you know, we go work out together, it’s very natural. But I’ve also worked in software companies, where people don’t don’t move at all, and they’re proud of it. They’re proud of being glued to their desks they eat at their desk, they don’t move around. I mean, you know, I feel like it’s funny when I use the term between you and me, because this is clearly all public. So between you and me in the world, you know, I buy these wristbands and I don’t have Fitbit I have another Oh, it’s called jawbone. And I one of the features and I know that sometime when you drive, right, and these Fitbit start picking up oh, you’ve been walking all these mileage is like no, I’m driving and actually not moving. I just hit a pothole or something. But so one feature I love is I can set a timer every 20 to 30 minutes. If I don’t get up, it started buzzing me is that reminding me to move. And I love that feature. And it’s so funny talking to you. I’m going to readjust to start eating my vitamins again, because I purchased all of them and I forgot to eat any of them. And then my Fitbit that I haven’t we’re jawbones. I haven’t charged for a long time. This is so cool. And I can’t. It’s so funny. Like we were we were strangers to each other. And we talked for nearly two hours. And this is like maybe the longest interview but I love it. I’m going to break it down into two parts.
Tom Seabourne 49:11
I’ve been talking a long time and both of us our energy levels are waning a little bit. I think we both need a snack after we’re done with this interview.
Fei Wu 49:20
Absolutely. It’s so funny. We were just telling all the audience to eat every few hours in our interviews are like four hours. We started eating like you start hearing the sound Lissa like are they eating potato chips while telling them what to eat? So three more questions we can we can go through but I think they’re important is what do you do when you hit a physical or mental roadblock? You’re going to answer one word or both. But you seem to be the person who really not a not just persevere but kind of find a venue a gateway all the way through. So what do you do? When you hit a roadblock,
Tom Seabourne 50:02
wow, you know, you’re you asked the right person. How many roadblocks Have you had? And me? Oh, my gosh. And, you know, people will say to me something like, Oh, you’ve done all this, and I tell them, Oh, my gosh, you should see how many things I’ve failed at and how many roadblocks have happened. And, you know, as, as I mentioned, you know, the core curriculum is disappearing from PE no longer is required. So that’s a huge roadblock for me. That means my life is gonna change in one way or the other. So, what I immediately do, as you ask that question, I it’s just, my brain just fired. What immediately happens when I perceive a roadblock? is I don’t fight against it. I don’t say Oh, no. He is no longer in the core curriculum, I’m gonna quit, I’m gonna cry, I’m gonna give up. But instead, there’s always an alternative. There’s always something else. So what happens is, I don’t know if this happens with everybody. But I’ll give you another example regarding martial arts. You know, I love a huge Mac, I was called an Amateur Athletic Union. I loved it. I mean, it was my life. And that was when Michael model and I won the US team. Everything was going wonderful. And then I got a phone call on a Saturday saying, Would you like to fight in a full contact ESPN fight next Saturday, and I had no idea of repercussions. And I said, Sure. So I drove to Oklahoma City, farm on ESPN, and then I didn’t know what was gonna happen. I didn’t think anything bad was gonna happen. But then, the national national AAU taekwondo championships are being held in Michigan. I think it was two months from that success up to Michigan. And I’m literally getting ready for my fight. I mean, I’m warming up. And over the loudspeaker, they didn’t even tell me in person, but over the loudspeaker. I heard this, Mr. seabone will not be competing today because he fought professionally on ESPN. And it floored me, Okay, imagine flying all the way up to Michigan, and didn’t even get to five didn’t even get to try. And I thought to myself, as you asked, the question is now I’ve had so many of those incidents, I was going to do the Guinness world record at the Chicago Marathon. I still I flew to Chicago, I’m gonna do this, things will record a booth at the Chicago Marathon. And we found out we didn’t have enough medical witnesses, we had to have a medical witness there. 24/7. So I had to fly back. I didn’t get to do it. Well, in both of those cases, rather than crying, on my way back to Texas for the Guinness World Record, as I was applying back, I thought, I’ll just do to get a full record. I’ll do it at my college. And I’ll have medical witnesses or whatever nursing program that I was in with the when I flew to Michigan. I was just gone. I mean, imagine, flew to Michigan for nothing. And then what did happen, and it took a little bit of time. I had to get a lawyer, and this is where some people are reticent about. I don’t want to upset the applecart. But the Quanto was such a big part of my life. So I got a lawyer, and he called the president of the AU and I was on a conference call. And he told the president, he said, Hey, this kid, you’re taking away years of his life, you know, we’re going to see something like that. I don’t remember exactly what I was back in, like the next day. So in answer to your question, we have to be proactive. We have to just search for other avenues. And there’s always another avenue.
Fei Wu 54:24
I would add to that and say every setback is an opportunity.
Tom Seabourne 54:28
Absolutely beautifully said,
Fei Wu 54:30
thank you. I really truly think that way. And when I was always in a rush when I was younger, and me, you know, for my generation, unfortunately for people much younger, like teenagers and 20s. They expect everything to happen simultaneously. So people say that technology could be your biggest asset and yet your biggest liability is a result of that. You know, I’m not saying you know, I’m at some point, I don’t know six months from now, I might have to remind you that Um, you don’t want to keep checking all the fans you have on Facebook who are seafoods who’s following you on Twitter? Because a lot of people are doing that and using that as a metrics to measure their own success. So we’re by paycheck or who knows. But I think I’m very excited for you. I think, based on the new policy, I think this setback, as seen on the surface is a great opportunity for you to grow something on your own, just like my podcast, you know, is, it’s an opportunity I created for myself. But I promise you, I have one last question for you. And we’ll wrap up the whole thing. And you can go grab your snack, I’ll go eat some yogurt. But the final question I have is, you are very optimistic. You’re very curious person and curiosity is a theme on my podcast. Are there any exercises, routines, or you know, spores, meditation, or anything that you hope to get into that intrigues you? Well, you want to learn more off before getting into it?
Tom Seabourne 56:07
As you looked at workout routines, there’s nothing new under the sun. I mean, you see kettlebells now, p90x, insanity. But these are just programs who are refashioned in this, this happens, the fitness industry, it’s all cyclical. And everybody’s trying to make money, so called something new, but it’s really not. Now, I’m actually fine with all this. And everything from PRX to some of the different types of competitions that come out, to get people working out is fine. But my only My only fear about some of them is that sometimes these quote, fats can cause injury, and there’s some issues there. But some something when you talk about meditation, when I was in fifth grade, I was kind of hyperactive, kind of a type A kid. And so I needed something, and I knew it. So I convinced my parents to let me take a transcendental meditation class, and I had to drive to Lehigh University, and I took this class. At the time, it was only $35. I know now, I think that costs about four to $500. So I took the class. And I remember the instructor said, if you meditate 20 minutes a day in the morning, and then in the evening, you will reach enlightenment in five years. So then, in treating that I raised my hand, and remember, I’m a young kid, I’m a sophomore in high school, and all these other people were older folks, you know, like, your age and your 30s. And I said, Sir, have you reached enlightenment? You know, I asked him innocently, I was just naive. I didn’t know what like really scolded me for asking the question, and I kind of looked around, and people were kind of rolling their eyes like, yeah, he hasn’t reached enlightenment. You know, over the years, I’ve been fortunate, like, I actually came to Boston, there’s a publishing company called y Ma. I don’t know if you’ve heard of it, but it’s a it’s kind of a martial arts publisher, but it’s mostly soft style stuff, like Kung Fu and all that. Well, the the president or CEO of that company. name is Master, aka gets ya. And it’s been years since I’ve been there. He, he’s a prolific meditator. He meditates four hours a day. He also has written 30 books, and he has a PhD and he’s done a lot in his life. You think, wow, someone that meditates four hours a day, probably doesn’t do anything else. But after, after speaking with him, I came back down to Texas. I kind of embarrassed as I meditated for five years after, when I was a sophomore in high school, I meditated all the way through my years at Penn State. And then I realized this had been more than five years and I hadn’t reached enlightenment. I know that sounds silly. I really kind of believed the guy, you know that. If I would have been in LA. I never missed a day, morning and afternoon. And so I kind of turned my attention to instead of meditation prayer, and do the research on the physiological aspects of meditation and prayer, they’re very similar. You get plenty of the metabolism of your skin response increases, your blood pressure goes down, your heart rate goes up and all these really cool things. And so I found that prayer became my substitute for meditation. And I don’t advocate, one or the other, but I advocate doing something, something to quiet yourself down. I think I’m not saying that people who are very active like you, and I’m pretty active, we need something to quiet down. Oh, yeah. And completely agree when I was when I was doing the ultra cycling, the long long distance cycling, where I was literally riding my bike at least six hours a day. And that doesn’t include the other activities like the weight training and the karate, and the cycling itself became my meditative experience. Because pedaling in little circles for hours on end, is truly a meditation. So an answer to your question. I have missed that, you know, I no longer have recycling for those long, long periods of time. But I still pray. And I am still writing a little bit. I think, everybody, because of our crazy world of all of our phones, and we don’t ever turn off that we need something. So yeah. I’m constantly looking for ways to kind of cultivate that mind body experience. And it’s so easy to get caught up. I mean, look at our interview. It’s like, oh, my gosh, now now you won’t have time to meditate, because you just went way over time. I
Fei Wu 1:01:47
know, I’ll still find time, I must echo a lot of what you said people like us are very active. And you know, people like us are obligated to a certain degree to share experience to benefit others. And honestly, for the longest time, my own guilt is I had not taken care of myself started when I was in college, I ate poorly. I was always at work always working two, three jobs and, and I thought I was young, I didn’t have to take care of myself and develop like a temporary ulcer, it was really uncomfortable. And not until like a few years into my career, after I started making money to say that, okay, let me do this. So more recently, this I keep referring to James Altucher, who’s a very successful business person and podcaster, the term that he used is Be gentle on yourself. And I love that. And, you know, my guilty pleasure, our I love this meditation expert. Her name is Tara Brach, B R A, C H, I will send some of the information your way that I almost have to use the word addictive, you avoided that, but I’m bringing it back because she is phenomenal. And she’s inspiring people all around the world. She has a podcast. So if you have an Android phone or iPod, very easily accessible, or even just simply through a website, and I listened to her every night before I go to sleep, and I should do better and listen to that in the morning in a sitting or you know, a comfortable position, I guess. But it just so soothing. And she has so much information. And she’s not like someone who’s pretending or recycling information to impress the world. She has so much to say highly recommended. And personally for me, to your point, Don, I found the venues for myself I meditate, unfortunately not on a regular basis, but always enjoyed it. And I love doing yoga and I love swimming and to put my head on the water and like tune to now the world and just be on my own. And the one of the terms I love very much right now is the word pause was from Tara Brach, like, just think about pausing, like we just pause in the middle of the day, whatever, miter to thing that’s really powerful. So, yeah, I’m so glad I’m so happy and peaceful right now.
Tom Seabourne 1:04:22
When ended and have a sentence in a book I wrote a book years ago, when I was really into the meditation, and I’ve noticed that those who don’t feel they have the time to do meditation, I’m kind of paraphrasing. Those are the people that need it the most. Because just like I said, because we don’t pause. We just go from one thing to the next. And you said something very important. So many of us are afraid to be alone. We’re afraid to be alone with our thoughts. And it’s scary. And most people, just check them out. They’re always on their phones, they’re listening. They’re watching TV. They’re, they’re never alone with our thoughts. And our social look at how our society has changed. Nobody talks anymore. Everybody worked, okay, now that most people are texting, they’re, they’re on their phones, but they’re not talking. They’re not talking socially one on one anymore. At least, that’s what I’m seeing them at the college where I teach, they walk into my fitness center, they immediately put their headphones on, and there’s no conversation. And it’s sad to me, you made a comment earlier, where technology can be best friend, or they can destroy us something like that. Absolutely, I think that’s one area where we’re losing our socio, our socialization, where we’re depending on texting and not really conversing with people, but, but I’m glad we got to converse and our new friend tonight, and I’m so glad that you have a real energy about you that makes me smile. And I really appreciate you allowing me to do this. It was fun.
Fei Wu 1:06:17
Thank you, thank you, Tom, I hope to see that see a sequel this, whatever, three, four, whatever the former you’re comfortable with, I hope to be part of the journey with you. And also, if there’s anything I can help Linda with to help her to the next level, maybe we’ll start with you first. And she seems to be very powerful. And she already has a vision on our own. And I must say that when you mentioned that the people that IV influence one of my guests, I’m so so proud of this and saving our emails as evidence that one of the guests from earlier. She sent me this amazing email about a week ago saying her, her dad is you know, she has an aging father. And and she decided that, you know, before it’s too late, she would like to sit down with her dad and and record some of these amazing things that, you know, he has said to her and she wants to record some of the conversation she was asking me for help to find the right microphone and all that jazz. And as of last night, she emailed me and she said she’s very determined to create her own podcast. So I am so thrilled. And this is the effect that I didn’t quite see coming. But I love the fact that we’re all connecting. And this is an experience, these two hours are an experience between the two of us we created this moment I will be forever holding on to. So it is so meaningful all around. And thank you so much for being part of this. And you’ll hear from last year that
Tom Seabourne 1:07:49
you have a way with words and that’s why you’re a podcaster I love it.
Fei Wu 1:07:54
So that concludes part one of my conversation with Tom seaborne. And in part two, we’ll be focusing on personal life goals and, and even challenges as a fitness educator. Today. I offer Tom some of my own advice on how an athlete like himself could potentially take advantage of social media. But beyond Facebook and Twitter, for example, places or channels such as Quora or Uber cents, and how to influence people at a national and international level without extensive travel. And that was an important factor for Tom. But you know what, there is no better era than the one we’re in today to influence educate and establish authentic connections ray from our homes. To listen to more episodes of the face world podcast, please subscribe on iTunes where visit face world.com That is FEISW Oh rld where you can find show notes links, other tools and resources. You can also follow me on Twitter at face world. Until next time, thanks for listening
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Fei Wu 0:18
Welcome to the face world podcast. This is your host Faye Woo. On this podcast, you will meet a group of song and unsung heroes who are willing to share their stories with you and what it means to them to live a happy and meaningful life. From Academy Award winner Christina reed to Wall Street Journal, Best Selling Author Claudia Azula l teacher Hall of Fame martial artists Michael J. O’Malley, renowned jazz musician, Ralph Petersen, Jr, Director of Innovation Matlin Lee, Steinway artists, George Coe, and many others. Every one of my guests brings unique perspectives that form an interplay of careers, explorations personal philosophy, and being in the moment that my website face world.com has a page dedicated to every guest where you can find show notes, links, tactics, tools, ideas you can use. Without further ado, I’d like to introduce you to my guest today. His name is Tom seaborne. Tom is a professor, author, fitness coach, martial artist cyclist. In part two, we’ll be focusing on personal life goals and, and even challenges as a fitness educator. Today, I offer Tom some of my own advice on how an athlete like himself could potentially take advantage of social media. But beyond Facebook and Twitter, for example, places where channels such as Quora or Uber cents, and how to influence people at a national and international level without extensive travel. And that was an important factor for Tom. But you know what, there is no better era than the one we’re in today to influence educate and establish authentic connections right from our homes. I am super excited to be sharing this episode with you all. However, I do want to apologize in advance for the sound quality. Tom lives in Texas and was very busy at a time so we quickly jump on the call. So it was not recorded via Skype, but regular phone call. If you have any questions or things that you don’t catch in this audio, please head over to my website, FeS world.com. And you’ll be able to see Tom’s episode right on the homepage. So thank you in advance for staying with FaZe world podcast and if you have any feedback comments, please let me know. Please welcome Tom seaborne.
So tell me about a book that you you were working on six months ago?
Tom Seabourne 3:07
Yeah. The one that was completed. The book is called the complete Idiot’s Guide to quit total body workout. And the company that that contacted me for this is a very prolific company out of New York. And when they put you on a deadline, you keep that deadline. In fact, when I first started working with them, they asked me to do three pocket idiot guides in three months. So one a month, which was a real quick timeline turnaround for me. And I realized that when I worked with this company, that there’s no no time for anything out pretty much easily worked on the book and do my day job. And so when I finished the final one I’m always looking for another project. And I hadn’t hadn’t really found one but that one walked up to me, which was this award that college. We do is a college nominate someone each year for this. It’s a Texas Teaching Award basically. So the last time anybody had won this award for our college was 25 years ago. So I thought I had no chance you know, I submitted my materials and nothing went right with the submission and I thought I have no chance at all. Well, I let my wife open the envelope which I thought was a rejection letter but the envelope when she opened she said quick and it comes with it comes with a rather hefty stipend. So we were both so excited and the college is excited because it Texas honor. So anyway, with that came a lot of speaking engagements. And so that’s kind of kept me busy a little bit. But ironically, just like with the question you asked, yeah, I’m looking really hard, and trying to find something here. The kinds of things I like to try to do my profession, day to day, is helping people become fit and stay fit. And so as you asked earlier, what do I do kind of on a day to day, trying to find ways that I can do this on both the local and international level. So previously, I had done books, videos, TV shows, things like that. And some of these type of endeavors require intense time and effort. And others, similar to doing a podcast or just interviews. So right now, I’m kind of in that intermediate waiting stage. And if something comes my way, I’m gonna jump on it because I actually have time for an opportunity like that.
Fei Wu 6:13
This is amazing. Just by listening to you for four or five minutes, I feel like I’m just instantly drawn towards you. Everything you say is just really comes from your heart. And it just so so even keeled. And it’s very soothing for some reason. And this is not quite what I expected. You know, when you see these fitness guru, which you’re clearly one year PhD and, and you’ve looked at, you know, physical conditioning from a very scientific lens, and not just being on TV and kind of putting a brand on top of all that. But you’re very calming. And it just incredible. I’m so so glad that Mr. O’Malley introduced you to me. And one of the areas I think when you said locally, nationally, I’m also thinking internationally as well. One of the surprising factor I found out when my podcast as I’ve already spoken to, quote unquote, two people from 1520 Other countries outside of the US. So you never know who will be listening to your podcast, and fitness in general right now, I was thinking has been one of the most popular topics on Earth at the moment. So it must be exciting to be in your fields. And not only that, I look at your resume and some of the things you’ve accomplished. I was so excited to talk to you because you’re not someone who is 1819 so excited to reflect upon both of the years of experience, but you’ve been athletic and fit your entire life. And you can speak to your life and you know, relate your experience to people across generations. So how does that make you feel? Do you feel like it’s a responsibility? Is it an interest? Is it an excitement for you to tap into?
Tom Seabourne 8:15
Wow, that’s, that was so nice. Very, very kind words. I never I never really thought of it that way. Because when I was 11 years old, my my dad was stationed in Okinawa. And that’s when I first picked up karate when I went to a karate dojo, and I was just amazed and mesmerized. And with that, at that same time, I started playing tennis just for fun. And I realized that these two activities would be a huge part of my life. I just, I spent hours and hours each day just practicing and practicing. So with the question you just asked, the these two activities became a passion. And then these activities just blossomed into others. And pretty soon I realized I knew that fitness was going to be my life first, just because I was passionate about doing it. And then when I came back to the states, just a couple of years later, I started a little karate club in my, in my garage, just kids in the neighborhood where I would teach them karate because it was, you know, relatively unknown where in Allentown, Pennsylvania. This was in early 70s, very early 70s. And so first of all, the actual activity itself was a passion. And then teaching became a passion. And then when I went to I went to Penn State University. And as I was going to schools, I didn’t know what my major was going to be. And sure enough, I realized wow, I want to be able to teach karate for the rest of my life. And this is where I got involved with taekwondo first. It was karate. And I know you’re very well skilled in Taekwondo. Remember, you’re a third degree black belt. And so you know, there’s a difference between Karate and Taekwondo. But originally, I was introduced to the competitive aspects of pipelines. And that’s how I finally got to meet Michael O’Malley. And so yeah. question you asked, basically, the answer is, even though I don’t feel like kind of like your Uncle Sam, a role model, I don’t feel like that. I feel like I’m doing what I love. And I get to do it every day. And it’s, it’s my job, but it’s also my passion. It’s my vocation, it’s my vacation. And I wouldn’t have it any other way. I see some people working day to day jobs that they wish they weren’t in. And I feel sorry for them. Because fortunately, you’re absolutely right. I’ve been able to spend my life doing exactly what I love to do.
Fei Wu 11:21
And it really shows up on who you are not just come through, physically, but also emotionally. And I’ve been using the term visceral connection, I feel like that’s very true to the presence you’ve had on me. We’ve never met in person, Tom, and a lot of the people I interview I’ve known for 1015 years. And, but I feel like somehow I’ve already known a lot about you. And we could sit down and you know, really catch up and create a sequel. But without jumping ahead so much. I must say that when your name came across, and Mr. O’Malley, as we all know, are very physically fit and has been a competitor his whole life. And now he’s teaching very impressive record as well. But when your name came up, he said to me, and this doesn’t happen to Mr. O’Malley very much at all, as we know. He said while Tom is impressive, his physicality is you have never guessed his age. This is absolutely comes through as a compliment. And, and I honestly I thought to myself, you know, I’ve never met Tom and and let me just look at Mabuni study him. And I started looking at some of the Google Images. And I thought to myself, Oh, my God, I had no idea. You know, how physically fit you are? It is incredible. And I thought to myself, you’re someone will be at the, you know, Muscle and Fitness magazine. And we’re looking at it right now. And you were actually featured in one of those magazines. Is that? Is that true? When was that?
Tom Seabourne 13:05
There? There were, there was a 10 year period where I was traveling, and presenting fitness programs all around the country, and then even internationally, as well in Canada, that so there were a lot of opportunities. There were interviews in different magazines. Correct. And and, you know, you said something very interesting that that struck, struck me just now and that is when you asked earlier about maybe the impression I’ve made on other people? I don’t I don’t even know. I mean, you said to connect the visual connection? Well, you know, with what you do as as you work in social media, you’d have a grasp on all this, and I don’t I I don’t realize the impact of social media and all in all, I don’t even I don’t use Twitter, I use Facebook, just because I guess years ago, a friend just said, you might as well get on Facebook, everybody else’s. And so I did that. If you’re right, social media. I mean, I’m looking at it now from the other and I’m thinking about people I’ve connected with on social media, including Michael O’Malley and including some of my heroes from the past, who have been able to connect with and yeah, I never thought of it that way. And as that a person could be somewhat of a role model and not even know it. Just because you know you’re on Facebook, you don’t realize maybe that you’re connecting with people that you don’t even know you’re seeing or connecting with.
Fei Wu 14:51
Yeah, you have 5000 fans which I don’t
Tom Seabourne 14:56
know there’s an Inside Story. That’s hilarious. That’s hilarious. I’m added about two years ago in 2009, I guess it’s been in 2011 ish. Somewhere around there. There was a TLC program that did a 15 minute segment on me. So I’m watching the show, live on TV. And at the same time, I have my laptop. And honestly, God, this is the craziest thing, I believe. Oh, did you see the show?
Unknown Speaker 15:27
I believe that I
Fei Wu 15:27
watched a lot of your videos on YouTube. Oh, I’m waiting for the story.
Tom Seabourne 15:33
What happened was, Wow, I was watching this television show on a TV. TLC network on regular TV was live. And all they said was my first name. They didn’t say my last name. But they said where I live Mount Pleasant, Texas. So I’m getting like one federal request 231 show, I got over 1000 Friend Requests just from that. That’s stupid. So when you say that 5000 fans, probably 1/5 of them were from that particular show. And then more of them trickled in later, you know, hours and hours later. But media media is amazing. Another funny story, in my opinion, I guess, in the early 90s, around 1993. I was I was featured in Sports Illustrated, full page. And oh my gosh, did that create a change in my life? Companies med track, I can’t tell you just the list of companies that that said, Oh, we saw you in Australia, we’d like you to use our product. And all of a sudden, I was endorsing all these products, which just from that one? Interview, one interview article changed my life. So you have media, when you do as your profession can change somebody’s life?
Fei Wu 17:04
Oh, Tom, I You have no idea. When I was looking at your website, I was already brainstorming so many ideas that could potentially enhance not just the current appearance, but also how you engage with businesses or companies that are interested in working with you, as well as some of the clients that you could pick up? You know, I was one of the questions looking at your profile is, you know, are you opening to taking on individual clients, and things along that line as well, you know, social media is great for that, not just by engaging with new clients, but also you will able to gather their feedback directly to you where they might continue to share that out with their families and friends. And it’s really fascinating, isn’t it?
Tom Seabourne 17:55
You know, you’ve opened up something like, like, like we talked about earlier, this is a phase where I’m actually looking for a project and something that’s really, in my opinion, a horrible situation here in Texas isn’t I hope it’s not happening across the country. But all across Texas as a starting now, literally 2015. No longer is there going to be a physical education requirement in colleges. So students down here in Texas, no longer need to do any type of physical activity while they attend school. So that’s going to open up that could potentially give me a lot of free time and Adam say that I’m trying to be optimistic. Because he just education is no longer in our what we call our core curriculum, then students won’t take it because probably only 10% of my students at the college are doing it. Because they liked it. The rest of them, they have jobs, they have families, they don’t have time to just take a karate class. So this is gonna really, potentially hit me hard. And with what you said about opening up maybe my career by using some of these social media modalities. Maybe, maybe something I’ll be looking forward,
Fei Wu 19:31
I will be more than happy to help. And I’m really serious about this. And this is something I always enjoy it. And you know what’s funny is podcasting really has helped me connect with friends from 1015 years ago, and many of them are in a sort of a similar situation compared compared to the one you’re in for different reasons, possibly for different industries. So because of podcasting after our interview You have so far had dozens of phone calls, helping different businesses kind of enhance, you know, sort of the way they operate and their appearance on social media. Some of that is very honestly very trivial to me, managing a page and staying engaged with your customers. But some of that information might not come across to them as intuitive. So I absolutely be happy to extend this conversation. But I must say that I, that makes me feel very sad, you know, that one policy can be rolled out so easily. I mean, when I say easily, I’m sure there are stakeholders and people who signed off on the decision, but people like yourself, are impacted, but more over really are the students themselves who are impacted. You know, I rarely talk about politics or religion on my podcast. But you know, this is an area I love, you know, for you to open up in a way that it’s not just self promotion, but really talk about given your life and your ability to influence others. I really want this podcast to be an opportunity to kind of introduce you celebrate your life, and really your expertise. You know. So with that said, I don’t know you should probably move up here. We’d love to have you in New England.
Tom Seabourne 21:23
Yeah, that’s, that’s actually funny. My, my wife, her. Her, her company is called classic. And it’s it’s a coupler company. But she like you, she is so energetic, and she’s she’s made it hugely successful. And as I was listening to you, I thought, oh, my gosh, and her name is Linda, Linda could really benefit from from you as well, because she’s so low key. I even wonder how she gets her customers. But I think for her, it’s word of mouth for her. She has a very low presence on Facebook, almost miniscule. And she could do so much better, in my opinion, with social media. But but you know, here’s, here’s the irony, and we’ll certainly you can talk with her. I don’t know if she’s too busy already. I were we’re actually building a new building for her at this moment. Literally, we’re, we we just got financing. And so it’s gonna be in construction. And hopefully, it’ll be done by the summer. And so she’s busy with that, along with for continuing her sale. But she’s always telling me that she needs to get to the next level. That’s always Montreux, you know. So, certainly, after we’re done with the podcast, we’ll get you connect, she might even be home by the time we get finished.
Fei Wu 23:05
Yeah, you know, on that note, my personal opinion is that the on social media, when we talk about fans or followers, you know, the truly successful social presence isn’t dependent on just simply the number of fans that you have, but really is the quality of the fans. This is not to miss judge people based on you know, their backgrounds or anything, is really talking about the love of engagement. Are they truly advocate? Or are they simply bored and got nothing better to do?
Tom Seabourne 23:38
Know and, you know, on this note, and as I was thinking, as is your she became, in the past, people that asked me they say, Do you have an agent, you know, before social media, and I’ve never had an agent, I’ve never had someone go out and get retained. So this is kind of new to me to the process. In my head. I’m thinking, kind of like land, I guess. I’m like Linda, and old and I’m thinking, Well, do I really need social media? Do I need Twitter? I’ve never, I’ve never done Twitter. I don’t even have a clear I just hear people talking about it. You know, I’m very open to these kinds of opportunities now, especially at this critical time where I have this freedom right now to pursue something different regarding a different project. And I guess I tend to get my ego out of it, in the sense that I thought, well, in the past, I haven’t had an agent. I don’t you know, in the back of my mind, I’m thinking, I don’t need social media. But what am I talking about? Of course I do. I mean, I’m gonna survive without it. I’ll be fine. But like you’re saying how many more people could be reached and should we benefit and vice versa. So yeah, this is kind of eye opening for me, where, you know, I see how social media has helped some projects and some companies. But I probably I certainly don’t know, the magnitude of benefit that probably is out there.
Fei Wu 25:21
Oh, it’s it’s really surprisingly significant. In many regards, for instance, Tom, you may or may not have heard of a website called Cora. So it’s something don’t worry, I will send in notes back to you as well. So long story short, Cora is a platform where people will go on and ask questions, they will ask any questions, you probably started off with something more academic. And, you know, we’re technical topics related but very quickly expanded out to many other topics, I am sure fitness will be a very popular one out there. But the difference between core and many other websites out there, Cora has a very specific curation process. The content is so carefully moderated that when people read about a question, for instance, this is a question I’m going to ask you, you know, what is the difference? I have so many questions, I better prioritize them. It is for instance, what is the difference between fitness level between men and women? Are her truly different? Are they How should women work out differently than men? For instance, and I will be waiting for your answer. And once you somebody posed that question, it could be me on Quora, many experts like yourself I non experts who are making up answers, we’ll start posting however, millions of users on Quora will start so called voting up and down an answer. If they find something from you more comprehensive, and knowing your background, having seen you on magazines, looking at your physicality, they might vote up your your answer to be more accurate. And as a result, when other millions of users hit the question, your answer is going to be the very top. So all of a sudden, on a very renowned platform such as Cora, you become a natural expert, and people are going to be constantly coming to you. Core is gonna contact you directly to say, Hey, Tom, did you know that there are 25 other fitness questions out there that we need people like you the answer?
Tom Seabourne 27:33
That is so interesting. Let me let me ask if it’s similar to this. I remember, sometimes, I don’t know if you’ve ever done this, but sometimes I’ll google my name just to see what’s out there. Because sometimes there’s crazy stuff. You know, I remember, I Googled one time and some guy said that I don’t see Warren said that. sprinters are muscular. Because they sprint. Well, he kind of got the story half right. But in other words, I was misquoted. On one of my things that I Googled, I Googled something where it was almost like what you just described with Korra, where it says like the top 10 answers, and it was to a fitness question, and I didn’t I don’t even remember being asked to add my name, like you just said as the answer or something to? To finish the question. I can’t even remember what it was now. But is that similar to what you’re saying? And I didn’t even know that? How come I didn’t even know that the question was being asked me maybe, maybe it was an interview or something, and then someone pulled it off? Or they’re like, I don’t know, that when when you were speaking, was mentioned, came into my mind that somehow my answer to a question or it may have been some question like people overtrain that they they need to take a day off and wants to take a day off their benefits enhance is it was something similar to that? And I don’t know I don’t know maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree right now that this is really interesting to me. And along these lines, let me just say that you can you can help me with this letter. I’m on the right track or not, but I’m in a very small town. And I would love to get the word out. You are you’re talking before you know different projects or ideas. And either either through I love what you’re doing, you know podcasts or doing something better with YouTube, you know more. You said that you saw a couple of my YouTube things and these are so amateurish. I mean, I don’t have a videographer. I didn’t have a friend or sometimes it’s just myself. Doing The filming say, so that that would be something I’m very interested in getting the word out on on fitness and some other questions people who have an answering them. And I don’t know how to do it, I don’t, I don’t have an expert in this area in my little town of Mount Pleasant. That can help me with a podcast or with a you know, the video, the videography. So, anyway, keep in the back of your mind, maybe remotely, you have something that works, you know that you wouldn’t have to necessarily come all this way. But
Fei Wu 30:43
I don’t know, I don’t know. I might have to come all the way because I heard they’re fried Oreo cookies in Texas, I’m very intrigued.
Tom Seabourne 30:56
This is what, what got me away from traveling. I’m gonna say when you when you hopefully come visit, you have to fly into DFW, then you have to make it two and a half hour drive to get to our little town. And when I was traveling, I traveled for 10 years. And I finally just burned out on driving to the airport. If you have to leave like four to five hours earlier. Well imagine in Boston or like right now, I’ve only been to Boston flights and traffic and the way people drive there was crazy. And I remember that we don’t we don’t have, we don’t have the weather problems that you guys have the traffic passes. So I got so tired of just like delays and then sitting in airports, I completely quit. You know, and I was thinking when when the PE was taken out of the core curriculum, I thought, well, maybe I’ll go back on the travel circuit. But gosh, I’d like to find a way to do things from here. So I don’t have to do that kind of travel anymore.
Fei Wu 32:08
The good news is here, there is no better era than now that for someone like you, I hope you don’t mind me calling a fitness guru, to really be able to influence and educate people all around the world. Let me give you a couple of examples. And you know, I don’t obviously don’t want to make about make this podcast all about me. But I really had a few thoughts based on what you said in the past five minutes or so is one, there are a lot of people and I can send some of their names over to you. And those are the fitness gurus I typically follow and they’re all male. And yes, ideally that I would like a mix of female in there as well is that they literally work from their living room, knees or the fitness gurus who will produce videos, for instance, on YouTube. And not only that, on YouTube, they will provide instructions. And as you know, YouTube has a description section. But that alone isn’t enough, these guys will send out newsletters to their fans. And obviously the fans will subscribe to their newsletters. And this is where we talk about sequencing of perhaps every day is too much too much work for for you too much information for me to digest. But instead, what if it’s once a week, what is every other week, you can send out the list of your activity, you can even mention what you’re doing in your life, you can target information people in their 20s 30s 40s 50s or even older. It’s really magical. You can educate them from a distance these days. There are applications out there that allows you to receive videos from let’s just say that anybody in the world and they’re going to ask a question, POM This is how I am practicing training my biceps, Am I doing the right thing. And you were able to get that video and you’re able to draw on that video and tell them exactly what they’re doing right and wrong. You can literally draw and edit a video and send compile it and send it back to them. And that alone can become a service that you could have clients for. And so really, it’s not about constantly be on the road, unless you are a public speaker, for instance. And that is your motivational speaker. You have to be on the road. But you can really balance that out like 20% travel and 80% working from your living room. So a lot of things. Yeah, a lot of things I want you to think about. I also want to comment on another thing is people on the internet. Trust me there are a lot of people who there are better terms that describe them. But people can get very evil on the internet the reasons because they don’t have to show their name and everything’s anonymous. And you literally you follow a thread on YouTube It could be a picture of a cute little baby could be a 12 year old girl. Within the commons area, you’re going to see all kinds of evil stuff. But you know, I’m not. Our pocket is currently clean. i There are a lot of explicit stuff in there and makes you really question the human race. So with that said, when somebody says or misquote you, misquote you is one thing and or quote you but taking your answer completely out of context, right. And this is why a podcast by you, or the fact that you’re on my podcast and hearing directly from you is way more ideal than somebody else trying to represent you. But the good news is they’re not representing you. And I think what to parts of the good news, good news that people want to quote you. That means you are no, you’re famous, nobody has ever tried to quote me yet face said X, Y and Z. And you know, so that’s part one. Part two is, you know, even if they don’t mean it, even they meant no harm, they could still take things out of context and therefore becomes inaccurate. And I know that, as an expert yourself, when you see things like that, you might think to yourself that that exercise is no longer accurate, that could actually harm people and people shouldn’t be talking about it and shouldn’t put my name as a label next to it. That’s going to happen. And I think that’s why for you to become an expert on our website, like Guru Guru, like Cora, and, and be able to you become a curator. And that actually leads to my next question. I think it’s a, it’s a movement, and for you, it’s an obligation. And the reason for that is, there’s so much information out there these days, think about when you’re, you know, 20 years old, you probably knew these three to five people if that to go to and then they will offer you world class advice and your training with you know, people like Mr. O’Malley and Bessie, your guys are best in class. Now, it’s hard to tell who’s the best out there. And I know this from the music industry, from the Ardennes industry. And we have a I have a lot of musicians or artists in my family. And my mom in particular is an artist. And whenever we go to the gallery, we’re standing there thinking to ourselves, what are they selling here, and we go to the modern art museum, you see duct tapes floating on the surface, and that’s called Art. And it just blows our mind. And yet these artists possibly in their 20s, and 30s are making millions of dollars and people are they got followings. Right? And it’s comical, and it breaks people’s heart. But my, I think it’s an obligation for you become that filter, because you know, what works and what doesn’t. And so, you know, you become an influencer, and really help people like myself and millions out there to know what is the right information, what works and what doesn’t. So, with that said, I guess my question to you is, you know, let’s talk about your day for a second. How, you know, when do you when do you get up? What is your exercise routine look like, and I hope at this point of the pack, as people are already googling you, and seeing how you look, and very naturally to so I wonder how you conduct your conditioning, exercise and live your life.
Tom Seabourne 38:28
First of all, let me say that you’re a motivator. I mean, I was listening, and I was, I didn’t want to break in. acknowledge all of the wonderful points that you’re making and your, your, for your, and I know you’re a lot younger than me, and I’m thinking what a wealth of knowledge you have already. And with with that, I get up at four o’clock. And it’s funny, it’s funny that you asked that because I always ask my wife, I’ll say, like, set the alarm for six. Because it’ll say that at night. And, you know, some days yes, some days no, because I don’t I don’t set the alarm for me. And I would just naturally wake up before it’s become a habit. And the only reason I do that say is because I’ve got to get to our facility before everybody else does. Because once you know once the day starts and people start coming in, then then I don’t have any privacy. Like I get there early to get my own workout in. So I get there from four to five. Like I get up and for get there about 430 goes from flicker eight o’clock 530 before people start coming in, and then that Elvis there it goes. That’s my own personal workout. that early in the morning time. And then good fortune about answering the rest of your question about, you know, the rest of the day is that, at this point in my life, I’m still able to teach activity classes. So I’ll teach away training class, tennis class, and a karate class in a spinning class. So you can see I just teach activity classes back to back. And there’s some active academic classes involved in their classical Fitness for Life of a couple of sections of those. So as a teacher, I love working out with my students, and, for example, my karate class today, I can’t imagine doing anything else in my life. And my wife knows this. And it’s kind of scary, and that I would do this, if I wasn’t getting paid. I love it. The being around people that that truly value, what you have to say, I’ve been in different parts of the country like Houston, where your inner city, then I don’t know if it’s similar to Boston, but just like, you were talking, when you’re when you are leader speaking a few minutes ago, you don’t know if someone’s legitimate or not, you really don’t. And so I’m not very good at self promotion. I mean, it may look like it when when you see some of the things that I’ve done, but I really am not that good. And, and I also have a really hard time talking about myself, for example, in my classes, I never mentioned any of these kinds of cool anecdotal experiences like, like what happened in the world championships or, because I don’t know if that happens, the same in Boston. But here’s what happened in Mount Pleasant. Let’s say, like in my karate class, today, I will talk about my students like I have one student who got into the UFC Ultimate Fighting championships. And he, you know, he was, he was a prolific student. And so my students gravitate when I talk about him. But if I were to talk about myself, I don’t know what it is here in this town. It’s almost like, people look away, they don’t want to hear it. And now, I still don’t get it. Because it’s not as if I’m going to spend an hour talking about this anecdote that happened at the World Championship. It’s almost like, and, and I wonder if it’s peculiar to this town, that people don’t want other people to succeed? The crazy thing. It’s almost a jealousy I feel. So I don’t ever bring it up in my classes. And, you know, being on a podcast, feeling more able to speak about kind of, you know, maybe a little bit of self promotion? Well, first of all, I can’t see the people listening. And then, secondly, why they would want to know about about spring event. So in answer to your question, I started four in the morning. And then I have teaching experiences all day long, which mostly involve activity. And that’s it. And when I used to have a project, and I don’t know, if you’re the same way, that I look at the project, whether it’s a book, or whatever, that would just always be in the back of my mind. It was like, I would be when, whenever there was a kind of a neutral part of the day where I didn’t have to be focused on something, in my mind would just immediately be drawn toward that project. So yeah, that’s my pay right now.
Fei Wu 44:06
That’s, that’s really interesting. And it’s, it’s kind of funny that I don’t even need to look at my list of questions anymore. And you’ve triggered all these thoughts. And, and really inspired me to really think about who we are. And I must say, on the point of,
Unknown Speaker 44:27
Do people really care about you what you have
Fei Wu 44:31
accomplished? It’s true, some people don’t and some people feel a sense of jealousy. And, you know, I’m, you know, I’m 30 and I look back, I feel like I grew up in Beijing I grew up in in Chinese culture. My parents are not the tiger mom or dad, but I grew up in a culture where you know, it is not cool for you to constantly be promoting yourselves or even promote, promote In yourself at all. I remember being in kindergarten and early in elementary school, I will raise my I will raise my hand be excited about things. But even very quickly, when I was eight or nine, it’s like, okay, don’t look so excited, simmer down, calm down, everything is down and, and that that energy is kind of carried and stayed with me for quite some time. And I started revisiting that. And I must say that it could be the people around you, but also means that maybe there’s some insecurities that they’re dealing with, what if, you know what if one day, right sometimes I feel like let me just break out of the my own shell and just do something that scares me. And that’s my thing these days, I want to do something that scares me every single day, I want to challenge myself as a 30 year old, because you know what, most 30 year olds think that there’s something that they will lose, right? You’re old enough to know better you are in if you have a career that you’ve been holding on to since you were 22 Right now, and then in about mid management, I cannot afford to embarrass myself, right? No, I think that’s actually wrong. I will love to embarrass myself and dance around in the office. So maybe I’ll give you an assignment. Tom, what if you go to your gym class? or what have you meet some parents one day, and you stand in front of a crowd and say, My name is Tom. And, you know, these are the things I’ve done even other three things and tell them I’m working on a project. And I don’t care what that is, right? Maybe I’m starting a social media website. And I don’t know exactly what I’m doing. Or I’m starting a podcast, or Faye and I collaborate on this podcast, I really want you to listen to it and give give me some feedback. And I’m curious to see how they respond. Because their responses may surprise you big time. What did they share the same same fears? Right? What are their interests? In your podcast? They understand what you’re going through right now. Because both of us assume I’ve always assumed they don’t? What do they do? How would that change your world? How would it change the world? How would it change would have all connected? You know?
Tom Seabourne 47:10
So you’re saying, you’re saying so much my gosh, is scary. I mean, you’re from the beginning of this kind of discussion just now where I needed to hit on to Sudan, where you’re talking about, you know, not not raising your hand and, and then, you know, the fact that some of the people and I think you hit the nail on the head, in this little town, I think there’s a lot of insecurity, unlike Dallas, or Boston, where people are more sure of themselves. And then everything else, you’re saying, You’re wise beyond your years. You and my wife are about the same age. And I’m thinking I feel the same about both of us, you know, she she’s also very wise. And for you to put your words together the way you’re doing, you know, getting this content. I’ll be excited to listen to when you do edit all this and I can’t imagine, I cannot imagine and I had no idea that you edited that you edited the podcast. I mean, when I listened in to Mr. O’Malley and you it sounded just like a free flow of conversation without any additions.
Fei Wu 48:31
was, you know, Tom, it really depends. And I cut there a little out of the podcast because it’s meant to be a conversation. And with Mr. O’Malley, it was not rehearsed. And with many of my guests, it just was free flow for our recording. You know, part of the reason was because my technical difficulties on my end. But moreover, I really want to thank you because for a lot of my episodes, I didn’t really let myself out. Because my guests just like you very knowledgeable. I’m sure they could talk on for hours even without any of my facilitation. But my my audience that to me that say, you know, we like your podcast, a few things we would like you to change. We do want to hear more from you. And we want your voice and your energy to come through. Whereas at the beginning, just like what you’re saying, I felt like it’s about my guests. It’s not about me. And so other than questions, haha, yup, I agree. Thank you. And I didn’t really say all that much. My guests were great. So I’m so glad that this is really a conversation and exchange a very authentic exchange I didn’t quite expect so I won’t edit or
Tom Seabourne 49:51
you know, when do we as you’re speaking I’m thinking of, you know, and again, I only have the reference of television. Hosts, I tell others are like, think of Oprah Winfrey. People. People watch Oprah Winfrey. Yeah, they want to see the death, like Tom Cruise or something. But they really want to hear Oprah Winfrey. And I think that you should definitely pull from that that because you do have the wisdom and knowledge at a young age and excitement in your voice that definitely I can understand your fans where they’re saying, hey, we want to hear from you too. Absolutely.
Fei Wu 50:38
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